Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-35006618-20180420224744/@comment-32336955-20180420235529

this is under by a bad long and 4 short wrists. here's why:

firstly, you can't use the db worth for spikes to trade as actual den betas. this message was stated in bold at the top of the page.

secondly, you're trading 4 short wrists, but a bad long is worth 8 short wrists (bad long = 2 shorts = 4 long wrists = 8 short wrists), and a black long is worth 6 bad longs, so let's do some more math:

blue long = 2 bad longs

yellow long = about 1 bad long (people tend to count okay longs as bad longs when trading for a black long)

black short collar = 1 bad long

4 short wrists = .5 bad long

in total, you have 4.5 bad longs, so you are therefore under by 1.5 bad longs (or 1 bad long and 4 short wrists).