Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-35020406-20180609173257/@comment-34971681-20180609175425

"I think it's fair in den betas." Den beta worth is ONLY in DEN BETAS. To trade all of those items for a red long, you would first have to trade them all to den betas and then trade for a red long.

(I seriously didn't want to copy and paste the note at the top of the page that clearly states that general items that "add up" to the den beta worth of a long collar are not fair because they 'are NOT den' betas.)