Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-35770585-20180614194802/@comment-34971681-20180614201059

On the den beta page, you'll find that nm den betas are worth "1-2 den betas." Plus, when trading for a black long, it should normally be a mixture of member and non member den betas.

20 nm den betas is closer to being fair for a red long.