Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-35063357-20181224001648/@comment-34683957-20181224025609

There is a safe way to do >20dbs for a red long.

For example if you are trading 25dbds:

- you first trade 19dbs + a short collar  (something worth 6dbs) for their red long.

- Then you trade the remaining 6dbs for the short collar.

And also ppl normally accept 20nm betas for their red longs