Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-32159073-20180318193356/@comment-33988451-20180318223444

you'll need to add, 10 nm dbs is under for a good long. i'd prefer not 20 (or 30) nms for a black long, maybe you'd need to add 10 more (or 20 more) den betas if you want a black, and around 10 more for a good long