Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-36321938-20190211154319/@comment-34193805-20190211230042

nm den betas don't count fully as 2 member betas, it's only 1/2 of a db and a member beta. so for every 2 nm den betas is a member beta then it would be 14 nm or higher (21 betas). but even so not even people accept that, usually it's 10 nm and 10 member for purple or 20+ nm for red longs.