Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-36321938-20190211154319/@comment-34231232-20190211212101

Since nm den betas count as 2 member dbs, 11 nm dbs for the purple long, and 12,5 nm dbs for the red long, sadly, most people will only accept nm den betas, the amount listed for member den betas, because they want to go winning, try finding the right person, I just get annoyed by those people, mainly because, they KNOW that it would be over, and that they just want to go winning.