Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-34129150-20180303075355/@comment-34040840-20180303161848

black short= 10-12 den betas

red short= 8-9 den betas

bad short wrist= 1-2 den betas

bad short wrist= 1-2 den betas

so about: 20-25 den betas or a blue or red long!