Talk:Rare Long Spiked Collar/@comment-32484104-20180116232148/@comment-34193805-20180116234645

I think people say 20 betas because 10 betas equal a bad long (which usually isn't true). But if you do the math then technically yes, good long collars are worth 32 - 35 den betas and black long collars are worth around 96 betas. I'm well aware of this but I don't want to say anything about it. I rather keep it to 40 - 60 betas for black long instead of 96 - 100 betas.